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Why the reading of the power meter(R&S NRVS) is unstable - RF
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Simon
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Post subject: Why the reading of the power meter(R&S NRVS) is unstable
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:47 pm
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Captain |
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Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005
2:20 am Posts: 9 Location: BeiJing,China
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Dear friends, I got somthing interesting,
when I calibrate the offset of a coupler+20dB att+
SMA cable by power meter in oreder to set this value
into the power meter. I set the 0dBm for Sigen output,
the reading of the power meter should be ~-21.5dBm,
but this reading is unstable vary from -21.4dBm
and stop to -21.9dBm(0.4dB range) . Another thing
is this problem just happened on 1785MHz, ok for
1710MHz. Would anyone like to share your
valuable experience on this?
Thanks a bunch! Simon
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Kirt Blattenberger
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Post subject: Re: Why the reading of the power meter(R&S NRVS)
is unst
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:04 pm
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Site Admin |
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Joined: Sun Aug 03, 2003
2:02 pm Posts: 451 Location: Erie, PA
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Greetings Simon: Since the instability only
occurs in one frequency band, I suspect the signal
generator first. Have you tried measuring the signal
generator directly without the coupler (use a 20
dB pad if power is too high) to see if it is stable
at 1785 MHz? Put the power meter as close to the
generator output as possible to bypass all cables
and connectors in-between. If the signal
generator power is stable without the coupler and
cables, then next thing to suspect would be a bad
cable or connector (or connection). It is possible
for a pinched or partially broken cable (intermittent
strand contact) to cause problems in a narrow band.
Poor connector contacts can do the same. Connect
your power meter at the end of the cable where the
coupler normally goes, and use the attenuator if
necessary, and check for instability. If it is stable,
shake and twist the cables a little bit to see if
it becomes unstable. If the signal is still
stable, then the only thing left is that the couple
is bad. If it was hit with too much power at some
time in the past, there could be a burn inside that
is selectively unstable. One way a power coupler
can be over-powered is to crank a lot of power into
it with the output port either open (more likely)
or shorted. Doing so causes the coupler structure
to have to dissipate much more power than it is
designed to handle. Let me know the outcome
of these test, if you try them, please.
- Kirt Blattenberger
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Simon Liu |
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:17 am
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Captain |
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Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005
2:20 am Posts: 9 Location: BeiJing,China
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Hi Kirt,
Thank you for your reply. today
I did some experiment again, I eliminated the coupler
because I don't need to test any Isolation power.
what I mean is just use cable(2)and att(3dB+20dB),
but the result is still unstable. There is one more
thing need to be noted, the problem happen on the
both two frequency (1710MHz and 1785MHz). Sorry
for the misunderstanding. Anyway, I 'll try to changed
the other components as you said. (cables and att
)next week see if I can find the root cause.
Thanks again! Simon
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Guest |
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:56 am
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Power heads have a power range. If your operating
near the low end of the power head then the reading
will be unstable due to noise. Look at your power
head. There should be a range. If it days that the
low end is -20dBm, then the head is not sensitive
enough to make the measurement.
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Simon Liu |
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:43 pm
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Captain |
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Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005
2:20 am Posts: 9 Location: BeiJing,China
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Yes ,you are right. but the unstable reading will
fix at a specific value, the time from unstable
to stable is so long ,5 minutes, I think, in this
5 minutes, the reading differ 0.4~0.5 dBm from the
beginning even though change another new power meter(NRVS).
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