Interesting Juxtaposition - have you seen this? - RF Cafe Forums

 Post subject: Interesting Juxtaposition - have you seen this?

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:29 pm 

Compare these two pictures and tell me what you think:

1st this - http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004 ... 1058.shtml
(infamous Hanoi Jane photo)

2nd this - http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004 ... 4218.shtml
(not-so-infamous-but-becoming-infamous John Kerry at Jane Fonda anti-war rally photo)

Also, does anyone else know that former Georgia Senator Max Cleland, who is going around bashing Bush for his Texas National Guard service, lost his three limbs while in Vietnam, but it happened when he picked up a grenade that was laying on the ground? He was not in a combat situation, he just made a bad decision to pick up something he saw on the ground while walking with some friends to go polish off a couple brewskies. He and the press try to make it sound like he was the victim of a thrown grenade in the heat of battle.

Did anyone else also know that by the time Bush was finished with all his flight and crew training, that Nixon had ended the hostilities, so Bush had no war to go fight any more? Check the dates - the math is easy.

 Post subject: What you said

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:20 pm 

Saw the pictures already. Sad fact is it won't matter to most Americans because there is no sense of country any more. The liberals have seen to that. Sad, but true. You'll need to do better than that.

the EWOK

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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:31 pm 

Nothing personal, but I really hope your wrong.

 Post subject: a little photoshop is dangerous

Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 9:21 pm 

The picture you describe is a fabrication.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp

In this age of photoshop and cheap computers many things can be fabricated that never really happened. It's a dangerous world, be careful.

 Post subject: Re: a little photoshop is dangerous

Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 8:49 am 

The picture that I referenced is definitelt NOT a fabrication. Kerry has actually acknowledged that one. So, your information is WRONG.

The picture you referenced is definitely believed to be a fabrication, but not the one I referenced. Sorry, you lose.

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Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 2:13 pm 

References please.

If you follow my refererence, it will lead you to an article written by the photographer of the Fonda picture, and he explains why it is a fabrication.

References please!

BTW

Even if it is real, and John Kerry was on a podium with Jane Fonda in 1973, at least he was a Vietnam combat veteran. Unlike George (Daddy get me into the Air National Guard and leapfrog 150 better qualified applicants) Bush. Who once in the Guard has not been able to account for the last 8 months of his service, and after tax-payer financed flight training, was taken off flight status for not passing (or even taking for that matter) a required physical. Stoned? Drunk? Or just plain forgot?

 Post subject: We've got references...

Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 7:49 am 

[quote="Jesteralternative"]References please.

Here's a source even you can appreciate. It has a statement from Hanoi Jane herself saying John Kerry was there and even spoke at the event. I also has Kerry's campaign admitting that he was there.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp

For your other statement about at least JFK being in the military, you obviously overlook the fact that he deplored and defamed his service in the 60s and 70s, and even pontificated on the Senate floor in Slick Willie's defense in the early 1990s saying how military service is no a measure of a person's fitness to be president. Now, every time Kerry speaks he touts his Vietnam service.

He was ashamed of his military service, before he was proud of it.

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Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 8:59 am 

Let's see 1973.....................

Freedom of association............................check
Freedom of speech..................................check

Everything seems in order.

2005.........................................

Freedom of association......................?
Freedom of speech............................?

At the rate we're going, it's anyone's guess.

I was once in a crowd that was cheering Barry Goldwater (I was cheering too by the way. I think Barry would be appalled by what is passing for Conservative today). I once shook hands with Robert Kennedy. Now lets suppose there were pictures of both of those events? What would it mean if I were running for office?
Military service is not a qualifier to be president or anything else. But I will state this again, when your orders can put others in harms way, you lose all moral authority, if you had the opportunity once and you avoided it.

 Post subject: Don't change the subject

Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 10:55 am 

Jester:

Your original arguement was that the picture I referenced was a hoax. Now that you have been proven wrong, you're changing the topic to free speech.

Typical of your side.

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Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 1:13 pm 

What do you mean 'typical of your side'?

The entire implication here has been that there is something unsavory about Kerry, a documented, decorated, Vietnam combat veteran, and Jane Fonda sharing adjacent seats somewhere, sometime in 1973. If that's bad, what exactly am I supposed to make of the picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussain in 1983?

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

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Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 6:18 pm 

There he goes again...

You were wrong. Don't change the subject.

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Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 9:09 pm 

Not changing the subject. I'm not sure you even know what the subject is. I am going to politely bow out now. I'm sure we'll meet again to disagree on something else.

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Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 10:57 pm 

At least you are gentleman about it. Good day.

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Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 3:57 pm 

It looks like the guys that served with John F. Kerry (JFK) on the Switf Boat don't recall his time spent quite the way he does. The majority of them have joind a movement to stop Kerry from using their organization as a political prop. This group includes people across the political spectrum and from all up and down Kerry's chain of command.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
http://www.swiftvets.com

Here's the press release they wrote:
http://www.swiftvets.com/media1.htm

He served 4 months out of a 12-month tour. He's a freaking phony from the word go. At least Screaming Dean never claimed to be a hero; come to think of it. Dean's probably saved a lot more lives than Kerry has, and never claimed to have personally engaged in the commission of war atrocities.

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Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 12:05 pm 

Looks like there's not a whole lot of love from Kerry's "Band of Brothers."

Gee, seems like we haven't heard too much about Bush not having his own BoB since this group of people that actually knew and served with Kerry have opposed his efforts to exploit them for poiltical gain. Maybe Kerry was hoping theses guy had all died by now.