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satish.1979 Post subject: Phase Noise Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:45
am
Captain
Joined: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:03 am Posts:
11 Location: India Q1 why flicker noise contributes to the
phase noise, not the thermal noise in oscillators?
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Stephen Post subject: Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:11 am
Captain
Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:33 pm Posts: 21
Location: Queen Creek, Arizona Both flicker and thermal noise increase
the phase noise. The issue is that flicker noise in MOS devices, can
be very large, upto the corner frequency (the frequency at which flicker
and thermal noise have equivalent magnitudes). In MOS devices the corner
frequency can extend to the low the high KHz or low MHz, while in bipolar
it usually stays below the low 100's of Hz.
Ergo, because flicker
noise tends to have much larger magnitudes, especially at lower frequencies,
many designers choose to ignore thermal noise and state that flicker
is the only phase noise contributor. This is in fact a mistake; its
simply that Flicker noise tends to dominate. But both contribute to
phase noise degradation, its just a question of how much.
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satish.1979 Post subject: ThanksPosted: Wed Oct
04, 2006 2:05 am
Captain
Joined: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:03
am Posts: 11 Location: India Hello Stephen
Thanks for
your brief explanation. Now I am clear about the phase noise in
oscillator.
suggest me some books or articles on oscillator design
Have a nice day
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IR Post subject: Posted:
Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:40 am
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Joined: Mon Jun
27, 2005 2:02 pm Posts: 373 Location: Germany Hello,
There are some nice articles in www.rfic.co.uk website:
http://www.odyseus.nildram.co.uk/RFMicr ... llator.pdf
http://www.odyseus.nildram.co.uk/RFMicr
... Basics.pdf
http://www.odyseus.nildram.co.uk/System ... eNoise.pdf
Good luck!
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Stephen Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006
1:41 pm
Captain
Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:33 pm Posts:
21 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona IR, That is a great website.
Thanks for the link; I had never stumbled across the site previous.
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fred47 Post subject: Book on Oscillator DesignPosted:
Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:51 pm
General
Joined: Wed Feb
22, 2006 3:51 pm Posts: 104 Hi! One of the most available
books on oscillator design is by Randall Rhea, entitled Oscillator Design
and Computer Simulation.
Good Luck! Fred
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